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Other Toy Boards => General Toy Discussion => Topic started by: Ghost Of The Doll on Monday 18 October 2010, 08:56 pm
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I was recently asked by a lady called Maike, the owner of http://www.keypers.de/ if she could use some of my Keypers and MLP pictures in her forum. I joined said forum and posted a few of my old Keypers collection and noticed that she had separate topics (there's one for each character) for toys that I am 100% certain are just discoloured by the sun (or by time) as "UK Variations".
I dug around within my old eBay photos to find proof of the discolouration and posted them too, but Maike is adamant that they are variations. However, I have owned quite a few copies of the same characters and some were only discoloured in places, not all over. I tried to show this with the images below as it's a German site and I don't speak the lingo!
It's bugging me now (to say the least!), so for the sake of fairness I thought I would post the question here: discolouration or variation?
The main characters in question are Princess, Shelldon/Mishell and Joyful.
Princess (swan) - her wings are pink, but can discolour to a yucky orange colour:
(http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu45/pink_sparkle_girl/My%20Toys/Keypers/Princess_Discolouring2.jpg)
Shelldon & Mishelle (turtles) - their shell is purple but can discolour to a yucky brown colour (even his bum has discoloured in the right image!):
(http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu45/pink_sparkle_girl/My%20Toys/Keypers/Sheldon_Discolouration.jpg)
Joyful (rabbit) - her dress is white but can discolour to a yucky yellow colour (the discolouration is very apparent on this toy):
(http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu45/pink_sparkle_girl/My%20Toys/Keypers/Joyful_Yellow1.jpg)
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I say they have discolored with age or sun light exposure two good articles on this are
http://www.vintagecomputing.com/index.php/archives/189
explains why some plastic yellows and why some does not
The other explains what types of plastic does when it ages
http://web.archive.org/web/20061015204042/http://www.plastiquarian.com/survey/survey.htm
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It's definately discolouration on the ones you posted as I have all of them and they have gone the same way and I had mine from new as a child. Try babelfish if your translating? Xxx
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Yeah definantly discolouration - if you manage to be able to explain you could also point out that their is discolouration on the body parts too (not just the bits that are supposed to be a variation) Also if the colour isn't uniform all over (though it can be) that's another pointer that it is discolouration.
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Discolouration; sunlight, dust, atmosphere - look at the inside to see the original colour!
It's especially easy to see with the different types of plastic used - the main body has discoloured, but the lock has remained the original colour, especially visible in the Princess picture. Joyful looks like a smoker ;)
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Thanks for your replies guys. I'm in no doubt that the toys I posted have discoloured because you can quite clearly see it happening. I was just surprised to find someone so adamant that their own toys were special variations they would dismiss photographs of the same toys in the process of changing from one colour to another. ::) Oh well!
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she is probably convinced hers as worth more or something by believing they are uk variations.
hmm mine have been in a box under the stairs for over 2years now i think i need to dig them out to get photos done as i know princess has yellowed and sheldon too xxx
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Polystyrene discolors easily in the sun, where as poly-vinyl chloride is prone to migrating plasticizer which is eaten by bacteria. This is why hard plastic things "age" and become brittle over time and discolor as a part of that aging and PVC (the softer plastic) gets cancer, or dots or spots. About eight years ago I talked to a chemist that explained the whole thing to me. Therefore, I do not believe these are variants because keypers have the rigid plastic and not the soft kind. If it was the soft kind of plastic (which can also fade a bit but is much less prone to it) I would think it was a variation.
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The only thing I can say is that since that line is so old by now different color variations would have been spotted; maybe even advertised on the box like the Starcastle line.
-Em
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Hello all
my english is bad, but i hope all understand me
Im register her,because ghost of the doll is not believe me
Swan in orange serie 2 is very RAR , and its a orange swan, the swan have white and purple hair and the scarfe is silver..( the rosa swan have pink and purple hair and pink scarfe)
shelldon serie 1 in brown has not glittery eyes.. and in serie 2 he has glittery eyes.. same mishelle..
joyful is not discoulerd because the yellow is uniformly
(discolouration look different)
I have informed the world about Keyper, I even phoned the production company because the name of my page, copy right and all that
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Angelchen :)
Have you looked at the inside of Princess, behind the wings and in the body, to see what the colour is?
The pink Princess I had came with the silver scarf.
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the colour is orange..
and swans hair is white and purple..
its not the pink swan..
the pink swan has pink and purple hair.. ::)
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The pink hair of the swan could have faded from pink to white along with the body disolouration
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I still argue it is discoloration because I have seen MANY other toys like that discolor, namely the She-Ra Swan. Also, why would the company make a sickly yellow body to go with pink?
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I guess it's possible that they're variants, but I'm not convinced.
I know pink hair can fade to white. I see it all the time with Wicked Lady dolls from Sailor Moon.
The bunny looks like she's supposed to be a bride. Yellow doesn't make sense for a bride dress.
Furthermore. The sleeves of her dress are painted white.
If the dress was made yellow they'd probably paint those yellow as well.
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hello ????? You can read not? or you have no eyes in his head?
The swan has completely different hair !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MAN, I slow it goes here ..
I'm getting angry, which can not be what it so hairy on something, it's a variant, the swan has completely different hair, and is uniformly orange undzwar .. discoloration or not, the goal here is that it is a variant that the swan is different than the pink, and now again for the stupid people. pink swan - puprle pink hair.
orange swan white purple hair!
and that white hair!
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by calling people stupid does not help your case.
you state sheldon in brown with no glittery eyes is uk version 1 and with gliiery eyes is uk version 2...
well having owned my sheldon from being young (20+ years) i can 100% say that what you say is grosely misinformed!
so misinformed infact that if what you say is true my original sheldon was somehow mysteriously swapped as he started off blue shell blue body and now (20+ years down the line) has turned brown. WOW i really should ask my mum about why she felt the need to do that.
You have got peoples backs up now by stating "silly people" you are wrong im sorry but you are! as for joyful being made in yellow are you mad?????shes a bride where have you ever seen a yellow wedding dress????
i need to find pictures of mine from young and take pictures of them now as the colours hsave changed/faded/sundamaged with age.
rant over - dont call us stupid unless you have proof of that fact.
i hate keyboard warriors!
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as we once again have a common immigrant ..
I hate that ..
but well, I play ego shooter games, I kille .. amys every night without end
and it is now not about the discoloration, you nut!
It's about the swan of a different hair color has .. understood ..
yourself silly thing
I'm not stupid, and I have not only a Keyper, miss clever-clever
and the picture from ghost of the doll, you can not compare with my photos
your photos are discolored, not mine
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Did you physically threaten me? Post your pictures then so we can see what you call "proof"
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'Swan in orange serie 2 is very RAR , and its a orange swan, the swan have white and purple hair and the scarfe is silver..( the rosa swan have pink and purple hair and pink scarfe)'
What I stated was it is possible that the orange version of the swan is still a discolouration because that colour pink often changes to an orangey colour and pink doll hair can change to white - it happens quite frequently with my little ponys. Somebody else on the board has stated their childhood swan (pink with pink/purple hair) came with a silver scarf.
Discolouration can eventually become uniform, arguing against discolouration based on the unformness of colour is not a sound argument.
pink swan - purple/pink hair can become orange swan purple/white hair with ageing.
It's just strange because you wouldn't expect these variations to all coincide with the colour the plastic changes to when it's degraded.
At the end of the day, it doesn't actually matter. It's no reason to be rude. Ghost asked our opinion because she had did not agree with what you said in your site, and wanted further clarification, it is not a personal attack at you.
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Now it definately seems to be a personal attack on me - possibly physical not sure if that's a translation issue? Ah well I know mine have changed due to age xxx
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Here my pictures
(http://img3.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/shelldonserie17j0akq5rz.jpg)
(http://img3.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/pict0268efz231avl.jpg)
(http://img3.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/dsc00597jxro2ygpz.jpg)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/coma_white/keep1.jpg)
Shelldon - moderate discolouration
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/coma_white/keep2.jpg)
Shelldon close up - due to a small sticker being in place for 20+ years, the original colour is evident at the bottom of the picture. The original mauve/purple is a clear contrast next to the brownish discolouration. Also note the keyhole and hinge perfectly match the original colour.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/coma_white/keep3.jpg)
Outside and inside - again, note the original mauve/purple inside next to the discolouration on the outside.
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CLEARLY using YOUR picture as an example Sheldon's shell is only discoloured by the lock part, ie the bit that would have bleached in the sun over the years so you just proved your own theory wrong. check your facts first before you call people stupid on here its a very silly thing to do when the so called proof you have actually quashes your own theory.
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has no real purpose to disskutieren around here ..
Americans and British are all the same islandmonkey ..
think what you want ..
I had well over 160 Keyper ..
Shelldon brown has not glittery eyes
Shelldon purple has glittery eyes ..
but hey ..
I encourage myself here is no longer on my time too valuable for me
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Here my pictures
(http://img3.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/shelldonserie17j0akq5rz.jpg)
I don't even have to have this package in my hands to tell Sheldon is discoloured. You can clearly see that the brownish tint fades to the original purple on the off side.
The whole discolour/variant argument is something that always drives me nuts in the collectible community. We have someone on the pony boards who used to post her discoloured ponies claiming they were super rare variants, and argue with people ad nauseum when they tried to inform her they were not variants. She just could not get it through her thick skull, no matter how many times people would show her evidence to the contrary.
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its obvious the reason she has now gone and left is cuz she proved her own theory wrong! i hate biggots like that - didnt get her own way so starts throwing insults around. fool. xxx
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Well, this is not quite the way I thought this topic would go, personal insults aside. I didn't realise that the debate between discolouration vs. colour variants could get some people so riled up! None the less, with so many collectors using my forum it is the perfect place to compare toys, check colourings and confirm variations in order to dispel myths, or indeed confirm them.
Angelchen - if you don't agree with another member's opinion please do not retort back with personal (or national) insults. It doesn't add anything to the debate and ultimately makes your argument worthless.
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